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Posted - 2014.03.14 00:03:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote: You don't seem to be able to separate the game world from the real world, and some would call that a personality disorder.
Yes, it seems he has a paranoid personality disorder and a superiority complex. It could also be a form of narcissism.
This has been plainly evident in multiple threads over the last couple of weeks.
In most people, I would judge it as part of their gameplay as the forum is part of the metagame of EvE-O.
However, in this case to apply the standard by which everyone else is judged, this must be who he is as a person.
This post is not in any way intended as a personal attack. It is simply a judgment based on evidence applied to the standard to which many of us have been subjected over the last couple of weeks, just for posting in a forum.
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Posted - 2014.03.14 00:16:00 -
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Aih-Li Tahn wrote:I understand eve is free and no rules and blah blah blah. this isnt about ccp or how they manage stuff ... this is about comunity and how full of bad ppl it is! u cant even turn around without running into somone trying to take advantage of u with a lie or something! and its almost always not even for profit or money but just beign EVIL! i mean.... i once join a ""mining/industry"" corp and in 10 mins they try to gank my freighter with alot of battleships, why? and then i almost lose a orca with nothing expensive in hold or fit because of gank? i kno harasment is not alowed (even if alot of other stuff is) so is this even reportable?
anyway thats not the point, its more..... whyy?? why do ppl go to self harm ways to hurt others? is this how pleyers act IRL too? is eve space australia?
Coming back to the OP, I think if that's your experience then perhaps you've been turning around in the wrong locations.
There are people in the game who chose to be the villain, but that's a choice made within the rules of the game. As a person in real life, they are playing totally within the rules, which is a morally correct and ethical choice.
That this choice has fictional consequences in a game is something we are all aware of when we play. We each have a responsibility to look after our own interests first; and then depending on our in game choices to help others or not.
There are many players who have made the choice to help others and they can be found quite easily if you look.
So in my experience, EvE is not full of bad people. It's full of good people playing a game within the rules.
When characters interact, I usually find the purpose of both is to have fun. While the consequences can be negative for one player, that doesn't mean the other player set out to hurt them. In most cases they are just enjoying their own game and not being concerned about the consequences for others, as all the consequences are fictional anyway.
As a final comment I hope you are Australian, because your statement is easy to interpret as racist.
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Posted - 2014.03.14 00:22:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:[This time though, the robbers take the ball the kids are using to play kick ball. In the idea of making their own game within recess more enjoyable, they've allowed their desire to steal the ball OTHER kids, not part of their game within recess, were using to enjoy themselves in their own way. The robbers have stolen the ball and now the cops are trying to retrieve the ball and return it to the kick ballers.
I can't see how taking something from someone not playing the game is in any way connected to EvE.
How for example in EvE as a pirate can you reach into another game and steal something from someone? (That's the comparison you've portrayed in the quote)
That isn't possible, nor makes any sense as a serious comparison.
The only choices anyone can make are in game choices. They can't chose to steal from a player playing CoD online or any other game not connected to the rules of EvE.
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Posted - 2014.03.14 00:44:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:
Every single person I have interacted with in game has been playing within the rules and with the tools provided. It is clear that they have applied ethical standards to themselves at a player level without any issue.
I have never met anyone in EvE that has deliberately cheated or used tools outside the game, though there are people playing the game that do make those choices (eg. running bot scripts, abusing an exploit, etc.).
The only possible conclusion I can make is that the article above is another ridiculous link designed to denigrate the community and is totally inappropriate.
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Posted - 2014.03.14 01:09:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:It explains that people are willing to disconnect themselves from their own actions. The context being EVE.
Wrong.
It explains that they have very much connected themselves to their actions. They have chosen to play within the rules and with the tools provided to them. As a person, they are making the moral and ethical choices that society expects.
Plain and simple.
Any other judgement you make on the subject is purely a result of your paranoid personality disorder and superiority complex.
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Posted - 2014.03.14 01:32:00 -
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Aih-Li Tahn wrote:the ppl who tried to awox my freighter and sucide gank my empty orca had zero to gain and something to lose. thats my question. why are there ppl who will go to any length to ruin other ppls game? or realy why so many, and im starting to beleive eve is full of very loud evil people.... sorry divine entervention i tried to stay positive  but this thread shows i was wrong to try
Your idea of gain and loss is different to theirs, which is also perfectly fine in our society.
Different people can have different goals and they can sometimes compete. Someone is going to win and someone is going to lose.
It's not wrong in EvE for people to shoot at you. It's not wrong for them to blow up your ship, just as it's not wrong if you are adequately tanked and Concord gets them first in highsec.
It's totally wrong if they did that in real life.
In a single shard sandbox game, what is wrong is expecting that you have the right to play the way you want, but others don't have that same right.
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Posted - 2014.03.14 01:44:00 -
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Malrikk wrote:Removing the argument of likely-hood, can you imagine how humanity would treat one another if there was no law enforcement in a post apoc world? Sure eventually small towns would sprout up and common justice would be around, but anyone not under the direct protection of such a safety net would most likely be raped, pilfered and murdered within a small time frame.
You only need to look at history to see how humanity would act.
Just removing law and order wouldn't cause a mass shift in peoples basic needs and wants. Order would emerge out of the chaos, not because we are intelligent beings, but because at a basic level, survival is an aim for all species, even those that have no cognitive thought.
The need to survive would result in a form of order emerging, just as in the past.
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Posted - 2014.03.14 01:55:00 -
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Kais Klip wrote:Both of you are assuming you are not typing this out in the Highsec part of the world :D Not quite. I think we are both assuming that in a post apocalypse World, there would be no highsec, or if there is, we aren't referring to that part of, but only to a lawless component with no order.
That's my take on what he meant by his post anyway.
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Posted - 2014.03.14 02:00:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Except the asteroid is not controlled on the other end by a sentient being investing it's time.
Who cares how the asteroid is controlled? It's not relevant, other than that asteroid is a resource for another miner. If you mine it first, it's no longer available for anyone else to mine. Are you a bad person for stealing that resource and limiting another miners opportunity? Obviously not.
To your earlier post, if a ganker forced you to also gank, then that would be forcing their play on you.
That's not what they do.
If you want to mine, no one can stop you.
If a ganker wants to gank no one can stop them.
At some point, those 2 different ways to play may intersect. One or both (if highsec) will lose a ship.
Then both go get new ships and continue their play style.
No problem. No stopping each other from playing the game and no forcing their play style onto the other person. The miner is still free to mine and the ganker is still free to gank. Both choices have consequences.
The miner may lose their ship and, in highsec the ganker will lose their ship.
But that's part of the game. Rinse and repeat. Everyone doing what they want in a completely fictional environment.
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Posted - 2014.03.14 02:34:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:O wait! Except for you it only applies to how you want to play and not how others do.
NVM Sorry what?
Where have we ever interacted in game and I forced you to play the way I want?
What evidence are you basing your conclusion on?
I am all for everyone being able to play how they want and for everyone to accept the consequences of those choices.
The basic argument about the immorality of others boils down to you wanting to make a choice about how you play, but not taking personal responsibility for the consequence of that choice.
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Posted - 2014.03.14 02:43:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Sorry I should have reworded it, taking the "you" and replacing it with "others" and "they".
Careless mistake.
This has become tiresome over the last couple of weeks. When this thread is inevitably locked, hopefully action is finally taken to prevent it occurring again, at least for the near future. Unfortunately none of us have shown the maturity to step out and stop feeding the same issue over and over and over.
Most of us here have been trying to argue rationally with an irrational and careless opponent, which just makes us all irrational.
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